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Old 05-12-2017, 02:45 AM
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Many years ago now I was at the LWS in Laf picking buying a set of small bottles to keep as spares should I run out of a gas in the larger leased bottles. (which does and has happened)

While there I saw a nice helmet sitting on the shelf behind the salesman and asked to look at it.

Box was opened and proceeded to fondle it. The counter guy said it was for a customer that had bought it and had to bring it back due to his wife not wanting to spend that kind of money.

It was a SpeedGlas helmet, not sure of the model, but the asking price was about $50 less than a new one in the box. I bought it.

Years later the batteries died, so rather than screw with it I went to HF and bought one off their shelves.

Different style in look, but the lense and controls mostly the same look.

Years later the HF batteries died and figured it was time to change them with hacks I'd seen on daTube.

Opening the electronics pack, removed the batteries and added button battery holders, ran some wire and put them in a little tin with a lid epoxied to the hood inside out of my way.

Last weekend I finally opened the electronics pack on the SpeedGlas and low and behold, even the numbers on the component board was exactly the same. All of the same components found on the HF were the same as the SpeedGlas. Wow, $150 difference in price and the only difference is the decals. sigh

Now, back to the problem I see............Speaking of my changing out batteries on my helmets, a co-worker told me he had one at his house with dead batteries as well and would I change them out for him. Which I did.

His helmet was probably 10 years old and as he told me, the most expensive one that Lincoln sold.

Well, taking it apart, the component board and components were the exact same as the HF and SpeedGlas.

Even the glass lense that darkens had the same model/part numbers.

I can see that we've been screwed with this shit for many years now.

Looking at the three boards and taking pics in macro, they are exact copies of one another.

At least I now see that newer pricey helmets have their batteries in little slide out trays etc for battery replacement.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:15 AM
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That's something that annoys me so much about modern manufacturing.

Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you pay for a label. The problem is it can be so hard to get impartial information as a lot of people want to defend their choices as if their choice of helmet or whatever somehow represents them.
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:32 AM
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Thanks for the info. I was wondering if a more expensive helmet (I have the Harbor Frieght) would perform better. I was thinking about buying a more expensive one to see.
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:45 AM
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I have had a SpeedGlas helmet for years without a problem so I guess the only difference is the controls and the head gear.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:22 AM
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Last weekend I finally opened the electronics pack on the SpeedGlas and low and behold, even the numbers on the component board was exactly the same. All of the same components found on the HF were the same as the SpeedGlas. Wow, $150 difference in price and the only difference is the decals. sigh

Now, back to the problem I see............Speaking of my changing out batteries on my helmets, a co-worker told me he had one at his house with dead batteries as well and would I change them out for him. Which I did.

His helmet was probably 10 years old and as he told me, the most expensive one that Lincoln sold.

Well, taking it apart, the component board and components were the exact same as the HF and SpeedGlas.

Even the glass lense that darkens had the same model/part numbers.

I can see that we've been screwed with this shit for many years now.

Looking at the three boards and taking pics in macro, they are exact copies of one another.

At least I now see that newer pricey helmets have their batteries in little slide out trays etc for battery replacement.
I had a chuckle on your discovery LW. I figured out this years back and happily use sub-100 dollar helmets and have done for 20 years. It's called private labeling in the industries.
As an example, if you open a high priced Ipod or I fone, all the components and boards are made by Samsung, and a Samsung phone just has different programming....and price.
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:38 PM
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I would guess my feelings today after realizing what I've found is that there was a run of posts here about the use of cheap hoods over those that felt that the more expensive hoods offered more protection and that this only came with price.

I'm not saying that a hood that is spiffy and costs a good $300 or so bucks is not worthy of the price or that said hood is any better than off the shelf at HF.

I am saying that with 3 different grades of pricing on 3 different hoods by 3 different manf's I've seen the exact same components on the same type boards. With only the controls etc being different.

Should I ever run across a hood in the shape of a maniacal clown with blood dripping from his teeth, well, I'll just have to buy it.

To add a note to all, the HF hood developed a problem of not being too exacting when it came to darkening and holding that until the weld was finished.

I removed the innards covering again, carefully removing the component board and cleaned the eyes of the components that sense light. Once done, put back together and it worked better than ever. Sooooooooo.............a hood hack is complete.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:01 PM
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That's something that annoys me so much about modern manufacturing.

Sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you pay for a label. The problem is it can be so hard to get impartial information as a lot of people want to defend their choices as if their choice of helmet or whatever somehow represents them.
Agreed. I remember 5 or more years ago HF was selling an oxy/ fuel rig that seemed to be all the same OEM parts as the cheap Victor that was 3× as expensive at the farm store. I bought and it was compatible with Victor replacement tips for sure. I even ran the similar Victor years later and they seemed about the same- not great but better than nothing. Now that Esab has purchased the Victor and Thermal Dynamics brands I have noticed that they are really trying to push the "name brand" thing. Personally, I think their biggest mistake is using Esab as a name instead of Victor or Tweco but we shall see if they do anything to improve the quality.
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Thought this was interesting..........

and no, it's not.
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LW, I have a horrible freight hood and was about to buy a different hood as I keep getting flashed. Got a link to your hood-hack?
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