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Old 06-02-2017, 11:03 AM
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KeithR sent me this ad and I thought the price was high but worth investigating.
So I asked Keith to go over and check it out and send pictures.
And he did.
The owner sales guy came down on the phone to me to a price of $3800. I felt that as there are no mills of any brand for sale used in Alberta, one or two in BC, this better be as good as it looks. Yes, there is a handle or two missing, and I don't like the voltage, but that is all.
Greywind has generously offered to help with a mill from Ontario, and saw a BP for $3000 over there. But I would have to pay shipping, and it is unlikely to have a 3 axis servo drive and DRO.

Well, to make a long story boring, Keith and I went to look at it and hooked it up to 600 Volt power, and it had that distinctive sound of a cement mixer I went in to the office and told him that it was not worth a penny over $2500, and left. He promised to examine and fix it and report back.

They could not figure out how to take the motor off so did not succeed. After I came back from Vancouver Island, I went to see him with the plan to start bargaining at $2500 and walk away at 3K. He lead with a preemptive strike, and said he recognized there was an issue with it, and would let it go for $3000, but any less and he would fix it himself.
So I said ok.
Keith who has bigger ears then me, said it is motor bearings, cause that is the area of the rumbling sound.

So, in the future I will be posting about dis-assembling the head and bearing replacement.
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Old 06-02-2017, 11:53 AM
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if it is just motor bearing that is a cheap fix.

Congrats.
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:15 PM
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Very impressive monstah. What taper, R8 or cat40, or will your old tooling be useful?
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Old 06-02-2017, 12:38 PM
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Since you are going to repower, the bad motor bearings won't be a problem
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:19 PM
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Very impressive monstah. What taper, R8 or cat40, or will your old tooling be useful?
Rod, beggars can't be choosers on tapers, so I had to accept the CAT 40 taper, which means that all the tool holders I have, got to be sold with the old mill.
The only issue may be the the Narex Boring head which has a threaded R8 spindle. I have to find a Narex adapter shank or threaded cat40 adapter.

I ordered a set of CAT40 collets from China, but for heavy cutting collets are not as good as individual holders.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:27 PM
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Since you are going to repower, the bad motor bearings won't be a problem
I have a 3hp/3phase motor with flange mount I bought but if I could find a 3hp single phase used, and it was not way larger the 3 phase, life would be good. I have height restrictions in the machining area.
I have to forfeit my VFD with the mill I am selling, so I would need to buy another...they are cheap.
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:43 PM
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Gerry,

I have mill envy!!, I have a couple of handles similar to the one on the table's, in and out (Y-axis). I could export them to Canada.


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Old 06-02-2017, 09:07 PM
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I have a 3hp/3phase motor with flange mount I bought but if I could find a 3hp single phase used, and it was not way larger the 3 phase, life would be good. I have height restrictions in the machining area.
I have to forfeit my VFD with the mill I am selling, so I would need to buy another...they are cheap.
I just got a 5hp 220, 3450 rpm, single phase for cheap. Runs smooth and quiet too. Too bad it is not a flange mount. Probably to much hp too. What height do you have available? If I can find one I can bring it up.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:08 AM
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I just got a 5hp 220, 3450 rpm, single phase for cheap. Runs smooth and quiet too. Too bad it is not a flange mount. Probably to much hp too. What height do you have available? If I can find one I can bring it up.
Thanks Chris, see if you can find something. I'll post the max motor height today. It should be 1750 rpm.
A mill is a big heavy thing so it won't chatter and diddle about when cutting. Horsepower is rather insignificant on manual machine. If you were wearing a scuba suit and milling with flood coolant at maximum cutting rates, or rigged for CNC, you may need more.
I have a C-face motor in 3 phase which is tested good when at Terry's and is even shorter then the one on it at present. Whatever motor I use may require some machining and drilling of the face because it is European 2 bolt mount, and will require the shaft being extended and tapped for a bolt. The motor I picked up looks like it came of a Radicon reduction drive and has long and double shafts and lots of meat on the face casting.
Of course Terry in his wisdom offered me a Briggs & Stratton for it

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Gerry,

I have mill envy!!, I have a couple of handles similar to the one on the table's, in and out (Y-axis). I could export them to Canada.

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Thanks, Jack. That's a great tribute from a guy with 4 mills and counting.
I would appreciate the handles, PM me with the cost and I'll send to you.
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The mill has a veridrive, it "may" require a special shafted motor. or require jacks extended belt motor-mount modifications.
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