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Old 05-14-2016, 06:31 PM
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Really it's just a trailer but it sounds better in the title..

So 5 year ago I bought this horse trailer for Susan knowing it needed rehabbing but it was 400.00.. I figured invest 1000.00 into it and it would be cherry..

Anyhow, she didn't like it at all.. and ended up buying an expensive one..

I had hopes of making it into something and then last year I came to my senses and decided it would become a blacksmith trailer..

I usually make all the blacksmithing trailers as light as possible based on the fact that originally 30 years ago I had no money and just a 1970 Saab 1.5L V4 96.. The car weighed 2200lbs and the towing capacity was more than the car weighed. Dont' know where they got that from.. Anyhow it was front wheel drive and I just always made the trailers light as well as anything that went in them except the anvil.

Now I have a 96 F250 Xcab auto with 7.3L 4X4 and a 2001 F350 Xcab standard 4x4.. No more problems with weight..

So, today I started making the horse trailer into a full fledged Blacksmithing trailer..

The axle width is a full 8ft.. I will make the interior width a full 8ft.. The back will have a drop down platform with a built in folding/fold up table for display and the platform will act as a safety zone to keep people as a safe distance..

If you ever do smithing demos people always want to get as close as possible, and I ask myself where did common sense go? and that is fine if you are just making nails or something simple, but I usually make stuff with welding and sparks flying everywhere..

I will gain almost 2ft in width, a full roof and will install awnings for the sides and one for the rear..


Today I made really great progress.. I got all the sides cut and free.. I left a thin strip at the top so no surprises of it coming apart and both halves falling off the trailer...


I need ideas on how to get a solid foot under the anvil ideally to make contact with the ground.. I had thought about making the whole trailer raise or lower on the axles and just rest the trailer on the ground?

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Old 05-14-2016, 06:40 PM
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Got all that done in one day!! You were really busy. Since it is a bumper pull, you could elevate or lower either end with the tongue jack and use some timbers under the frame of the trailer to get ground contact for the anvil.
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:44 PM
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The bottom portion of the steel tubing as well as the sheet metal is pretty rusted.. The right side of the frame is also rusted and will need reinforcement..

You can see the left wall is now disconnected in the back and in the front all the way up to where the door was..

I will put in a tie in to the top panel on the left and finish cutting it off.. Will pull the floor out and start adding the extra floor joists.. And hopefully I can figure out a good way to get direct contact with the ground and the anvil..

maybe I should make it so the whole anvil and stand goes up and down..

I could make a convex shaped dome on the bottom to keep the pressure in the center of the stand and then lower it down a tube to rest on the ground.. After a few hours of using it it would settle in and as long as the trailer is reasonably level the anvil should stay pretty level as well being guided by the tube?

This would give it really good support and the dome would make it so it would sit level on uneven ground..


Just need to figure out a way to raise it for transport.. Maybe a tripod? or maybe a small crane inside the trailer by the roof?

Oh I also branded myself..
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Old 05-14-2016, 06:51 PM
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For the anvil, once you have the position inside nailed down, a piece of 10 or 12" box tubing could be made to slide vertically in a slip frame mounted in the floor. The anvil sits on the top end of the 12x12 tubing. Then weld on a lip for a hydraulic jack so you can lift this up 6-8 inches in the slider, and pop a pin in to keep it there.
When you are onsite, and set up, use the jack to lift it a tad and pull the pin, and lower the anvil til the bottom of the box tube sits on the ground.

I have left out details, but you are smart enough to figure it out.
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I'd be tempted to slide a screw jack under the location of the anvil when you set up the trailer onsite. Just run it up against floor. I like Gerry's idea less crawling around on the ground.
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:08 PM
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The gearbox side of a semi trailer landing gear crossed my mind too. You'd have to alter the length. But, it could go right through the floor. just incorporate it right into the anvil stand. They are stout as hell.
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:13 PM
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For the anvil, once you have the position inside nailed down, a piece of 10 or 12" box tubing could be made to slide vertically in a slip frame mounted in the floor. The anvil sits on the top end of the 12x12 tubing. Then weld on a lip for a hydraulic jack so you can lift this up 6-8 inches in the slider, and pop a pin in to keep it there.
When you are onsite, and set up, use the jack to lift it a tad and pull the pin, and lower the anvil til the bottom of the box tube sits on the ground.

I have left out details, but you are smart enough to figure it out.
Funny I did the drawing posted it and you had all ready replied.. Thanks.


Would having the jack mounted only on one side still be able to lift it?
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:18 PM
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The gearbox side of a semi trailer landing gear crossed my mind too. You'd have to alter the length. But, it could go right through the floor. just incorporate it right into the anvil stand. They are stout as hell.
I have contemplated this arrangement for a lot of years.. I was never sure a screw stuck in the middle of a jack would handle the pounding.. especially since it would be the only thing supporting the weight and the impact..

Do you think one of those trailer lifts would handle it?
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:22 PM
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I'd be tempted to slide a screw jack under the location of the anvil when you set up the trailer onsite. Just run it up against floor. I like Gerry's idea less crawling around on the ground.
I bolt the anvil and base to the frame I add to the trailer frame now and then used to have jacks at all 4 corners for leveling out the trailer and putting the frame in better contact with the ground..

Problem was the whole trailer would bounce..

I then started lowering the tongue of the trailer and putting blocks of wood under the anvil and stand and frame and this worked better till everything settles then have to do it again..

Sorry Chris,, I just saw your post.. I already do that.. thanks
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Old 05-14-2016, 07:33 PM
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You guys were really fast tonight.. usually I have time to post stuff in between but you guys are on fire..
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