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Old 08-16-2017, 02:09 PM
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ARHG! I see so many different mig welders from the top three makers that I have no idea as to why I am going to buy in the future. Basically all I want a mig welder for is to repair push mower and lawn tractor decks and other types of outdoor power equipment and not to mention small thickness of metal that I might have to patch/repair. Would a 140 amp mig work? I don't know. Maybe I should just go all out and buy a Hobart Iron Man 230. There is just some pieces that I can take care of with a stick welder. I love my stick welders, but they can't handle everything.

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Old 08-16-2017, 03:54 PM
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We like my Lincoln SP-175+ just fine, though we don't use it much. I'd love to have a 250 amp class Lincoln, or some other brands of equal quality. Missed out on a used L-Tec 250 with a gas tank at about $500. (nearly the same as the ESAB Migmaster).

Great deal before they closed them out not long ago was the Thermal Arc/TWECO/ESAB 211i multi-function welder. Still sold under the Firepower brand for $$$.

For the most part, 140A MIGs aren't really much different from the older 125A MIGS. Inverter designs may have a bit more oomph but common 120V circuits only let you suck out so many kW. A "140A" multi-function inverter may only be 80-90A at best when used in stick mode.

I'd be happy with my Lincoln or a Hobart 187/190/210 or the like for low duty cycle welding. ESAB MigMaster 250 or MultiMaster 260 would be very cool.
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Old 08-16-2017, 04:25 PM
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ARHG! .... Would a 140 amp mig work? Tim
Yes a 140 class machine would work.

If you are not in too much of a rush, troll the internet, craigslist etc. for a
Millermatic 210/212. They are sweet little machines.

Also the Hobart 187 gets great reviews, I personally never used one but
I know a few guys I respect that like theirs a lot.

You have some solid stick machines, I would not worry about a multifunction
too much, get a good solid MIG.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:36 PM
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Yes a 140 class machine would work.

If you are not in too much of a rush, troll the internet, craigslist etc. for a
Millermatic 210/212. They are sweet little machines.

Also the Hobart 187 gets great reviews, I personally never used one but
I know a few guys I respect that like theirs a lot.

You have some solid stick machines, I would not worry about a multifunction
too much, get a good solid MIG.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Thanks Shade. Your "2 cents worth" is actually more like $100.00 to me
I shall take a look at craigslist for the Millermatic 210/220. I will eventually buy a mig for thin stock (that being maybe 1/8" and lower and also tacking small pieces together that would be almost impossible with my stick wlders) and the stick welders will be for 3/16" and on up. Now that I am on Propranolol for both my blood pressure and my tremors I should be able to stick weld pretty good I did run some vertical up with 7018 and the shakes were almost slim to none and now, I just need to get the Z weld technique down.

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Old 08-16-2017, 08:02 PM
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Millermatic 210 or Millermatic 212.

The 210 is a older version of the 212, I had the Millermatic 185,
great machine and was the predecessor of the 210.

They are great for the farm/ranch or maintenance shop. Great for
the serious hobbyist. They are 230V single phase machines.
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For the thin stuff your talking, if you have tanks brazing is always a possibility instead of mig. Brazed dozens of mower decks together over the years.

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On paper it looks like it will work in a clutch (pun intended). Takes Tweco consumables. AND it comes with a SPOOLGUN! So your Al welding needs would be covered. Inverter-based is nice and light. The Lincoln 180 I have "reviewed" in another thread is 65 pounds WITHOUT a spool of wire in it!

That said, I would keep your eyes open for the MM185/210/212. I had a MM210 w/3035 spooler and they made me (saved me) a lot of money the nearly 10 years I owned them. But it is a "full-size" transformer-based machine and will take up space on your shop floor. I do not imagine you will get a super "deal" on one because they hold their value. My setup was purchased "on special" WITH the spoolgun for $1100 from my LWS. I think I sold the package for $1300 about 10 years later--yes, I used it frequently AND made money when I sold it.

About Lincoln, I had a PM255 that I set up with a Prince spoolgun. Welded good but the Prince was not well-supported at my LWS. Sold for a profit and soon found a used MM252/30A that I am still using today.

I picked up a 90's Lincoln "EuroMIG 250" or whatever it was called at auction for around $400, cleaned it up and promptly flipped it and doubled my money. This model had a digital display that was controlled by a switch at the MIG gun handle. It had the "euro" style MIG gun connector.

Used deals are out there but the Klutch seems like an especially good deal since it includes the spoolgun. Of course, you may have the same tip-roasting issues I'm having with the aforementioned 180 and I'm not talking about brazed beef tips...

PS: and speaking of mower decks, I have one to do here because the sandy soil just blasts them apart...
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I believe that I will go with the Hobart Handler 210 MVP. Rural King has them for $849.99 and Tractor Supply has them for $899.99. Both Tractor Supply and Rural King are close by, but there is more traffic on the way to Tractor supply and besides that Rural King is just a hop, skip and a jump from here. With all that said, Tractor Supply has the Hobart Handler 190 MIG Welder with Spool Gun Package for $819.99 so I will keep that in mind to if I don't go with the Hobart Handler 210 MVP.

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You can get a big jump in duty cycle if you look at the Ironman 230...

Just an option...

https://www.hobartwelders.com/products/wirefeed/
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You can get a big jump in duty cycle if you look at the Ironman 230...

Just an option...

https://www.hobartwelders.com/products/wirefeed/
Everything on the Ironman 230 is so much bigger. Also 24 gauge to 1/2" is pretty impressive. Look how much length you have on the gun.

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