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Old 09-05-2017, 01:39 PM
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Default Millermatic 211 or Hobart Handler 210MVP

I'm ordering a new machine this week to replace my old Hobart Handler 187. After about 10 years I am having feeding problems that I am having difficulty diagnosing - I'm done pissing around with it for now and have decided to replace it with a similar sized machine.

I have narrowed it down to the 2 machines listed in the title (I don't do red, so don't ask). For the old "younger" impulsive me, this would be a no brainer - blue all the way. But now the more analytical me has to wonder if the extra $300 for the Miller is worth it. The $300 isn't a big deal - but when I think about what that gets me, I wonder if it's worth it. The added features that the Hobart does not have are:

Fan on Demand
Infinitely variable voltage vs. 7 voltage taps
Advanced Autoset - certainly not needed
Inverter based - over 40 lbs lighter
Supposedly some arc start circuitry for a hotter/softer start.

I'm open to opinions - what do you guys and gals think?
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Old 09-05-2017, 01:58 PM
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My vote is for the Millermatic 350P.

Honestly, I don't think you will go wrong either way. If you can see if you
can test drive both machines. You might be able to visit Appleton and they
can demo them for you. That is what I did when I was looking to upgrade
my Syncrowave 180SD. I ended up with my Dynasty 300DX. I cannot say
a bad word about Miller's inverters, great tech, solid machines.
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Old 09-05-2017, 01:59 PM
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Just notes:
The older you get, yes the lighter the better, but a bit easier for someone to steal and run.

my real preference would be 120/220 v operation from the same machine.

I would guess for sheet metal "Infinitely variable voltage" would be better.
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I would guess for sheet metal "Infinitely variable voltage" would be better.
LOL, being an old Navy welder sheet is anything less than an 1" thick...
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Just notes:
The older you get, yes the lighter the better, but a bit easier for someone to steal and run.

my real preference would be 120/220 v operation from the same machine.

I would guess for sheet metal "Infinitely variable voltage" would be better.
Both machines are multi voltage (120/240)

Lighter sounds appealing. I think if someone is going to walk off with it I doubt they'd care if it was 40 pounds or 80.

I don't think I've welded anything less than 16 ga. and was able to handle that easily with the old Hobart.
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Old 09-05-2017, 03:43 PM
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My vote is for the Millermatic 350P.

Honestly, I don't think you will go wrong either way. If you can see if you
can test drive both machines. You might be able to visit Appleton and they
can demo them for you. That is what I did when I was looking to upgrade
my Syncrowave 180SD. I ended up with my Dynasty 300DX. I cannot say
a bad word about Miller's inverters, great tech, solid machines.
I'll be down to your place to pick up the 350p tomorrow!

I appreciate the input. I'm not so sure anyone in Appleton would be willing to go out of their way for some hack debating over which $1k machine to buy. And to be honest - I don't want to spend that much time on it either lol.

I feel like at some point in the future - if I ever land any of the small structural work I've been bidding, that I will still be purchasing a "big boy" machine. Unless I see a decent amount of aluminum right behind it, it will probably be the 252. I just don't have enough paying side jobs to justify that machine at this time. I still have my Syncrowave 180SD (which is a hell of a stick welder) for welding the occasional heavy work I do.

Everyone keeps crying about welder (operator) shortages, but I haven't come across any companies yet who are willing to farm out a significant amount of work for a fair price. They all expect that some guy will do it in their garage for minimum wage. I guess until those guys figure out what they're worth they'll be getting the work. I'm not working for peanuts.
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I'll be down to your place to pick up the 350p tomorrow!
$5000 and it is yours, I will toss in a bunch of extras, including a 90/10 330 cubic foot cylinder, wire, consumables. You are on your own for a spoolgun.




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I guess until those guys figure out what they're worth they'll
be getting the work. I'm not working for peanuts.
I used to say, "I weld to earn money, not practice."
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I've welded a few broken pieces for 2 friends who live next door to each other two blocks south of me. Next thing I knew, some of their friends were dropping by to ask me to weld things for them. One guy wanted a 3 piece flagpole for his yard. I explained to him that, a. I had no way to lay it out in a way to keep it straight and, b. I had no liability insurance & don't intend to buy any.
He was nice about it but tried to argue. I declined to argue.
So I decided to squelch the rumor that there was a cheap weldor in the neighborhood.
Since "NO, I don't want to." wasn't good enough I set a $200 minimum.
That seems to have stopped the arguing.

Then one of the 2 friends wanted to make a "Texas Wok" llike Photomask got started a few years ago. I gave him a plow disk & loaned him a grinder with a wire wheel. About a month later he brought it back after knocking off the worst of the rust & said he'd find something to make the handles & get back to me.
A year later he was still talking about finding the time to finish it. I finally gave him one that I made in 2008 or 2009. When he offered to pay me for it I told him no but if anyone asks, tell them I charge $200 for them too.
He flinched but grinned & said "Okay."

Truthfully, that one was fully blasted and flapdisked, all mill scale and rust removed & finished with twisted half inch bar handles.
I wouldn't make another one like it for $200 but I won't need to worry about it.
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I bought the Millermatic 211 after the Miller Passport took a dump. I have been very happy. Never tried a Hobart though.
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LOL, being an old Navy welder sheet is anything less than an 1" thick...
What would a steel plate be ?
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