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Old 01-27-2011, 12:39 PM
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I think that I will use the bronze bushings and use some thick wall DOM tubing for the race. Looks similar to what Scotchman uses.
I looked up the item Jerry sugested on ebay they are really built heavy duty, Our 120 ton scotchman does not have nearly the size arm as some of those Pirana units. But I was mostly interested in the dies you can get for $277. That is a great price. Thanks for the input guys, this will be a challenge but a fun one.

Really interesting project. I purchased a new Edwards 60 Ton Ironworker this summer and just love the thing. As for dies. The basic round ones are reasonable but when you get into the special ones such as oblongs and square they can get pricey. Here's a few pics.
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:58 PM
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Was that $593 for those four dies? That machine looks great but wow!


Gerry, I would like to see pictures of the mechanical version. The schematic did not show the action of it. Does it rotate on a cam?
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:51 PM
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Was that $593 for those four dies? That machine looks great but wow!
Yep for the four of them plus tax. When you go for the none round ones you'll pay. After all that is the advantage to owning an ironworker is having the ability to do those type of punches. I also have a full set of oblongs as well. These things are like lathes and milling machine. There's the tool and then comes the tooling. Ouch.

I'm very pleased with the ironworker though. One of the best tools I've put in the shop.


You will see more of the punches in the video:
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Old 01-27-2011, 06:31 PM
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If I had to justify mine by how much it's used, I couldn't. The thought was, buy it, keep it nice, and someday get most of my $$$$ back when I'm too old to get to the shop -
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Which model Scotchman are you going to copy. Several different styles available.

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We have the big 120 ton model. makes fabrication so much easier.
http://scotchman.com/specs.php?index=7
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Gerry,

The mechanical ironworker you have sounds like a slick little unit. By the looks of the parts diagram you attached I am assuming it is German made (probably very good quality). Could you tell me who makes it. My Uni-Hydro is a little bit over kill for me, even though it would probably be considered light duty compared to some of the larger units. I am thinking that an ironworker like yours may be light enough weight wise that being portable would be a possibility.
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The mechanical ironworker you have sounds like a slick little unit. By the looks of the parts diagram you attached I am assuming it is German made (probably very good quality). Could you tell me who makes it. My Uni-Hydro is a little bit over kill for me, even though it would probably be considered light duty compared to some of the larger units. I am thinking that an ironworker like yours may be light enough weight wise that being portable would be a possibility.
Pat, it is a Mubea BF10F. I'm told it is 1200 lb. You can see it here
For me it is the perfect size.
I am trying to have properly sized equipment for the work I do, as there is always a bargain out there that is too heavy too power hungry, and too expensive to buy accessories...I don't want it
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Was that $593 for those four dies? That machine looks great but wow!


Gerry, I would like to see pictures of the mechanical version. The schematic did not show the action of it. Does it rotate on a cam?
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Not a cam, an eccentric. It has a clutch type of engagement that allows one rotation only of the eccentric, even if you hold down the control continuously. You release to reset.
It will shear up to 1/2x6 bar stock, and up to 3" angle iron.
I think in your case, using the same principal, and having a hydraulic cylinder turn an eccentric or a belcrank by only 1/4 turn, you could have a way to generate 20 times the power of a single cylinder, and have a compact unit as well.
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That makes more sence thanks for the pictures and link.
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That punch/die in that Mubea is for radiusing corners of flat stock. I bought one of those last year from Cleveland tool an Die for about 350.00 USD.
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