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Old 12-06-2017, 03:10 PM
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I need to replace my fluorescent shop lights in my shop and was thinking about going with those new fangled LED lights. I know Menards had a Black Friday sale with a 48" two bulb fixture for 14.99 IIRC. I was going to buy a bunch but my brother said he found a better deal online if he bought bulk so I didn't.

Well he was wrong and now we both missed out on that deal...


Does anyone know of any good deal for a bunch of these things?

I've heard you can also buy just the bulbs and convert your existing fluorescent fixtures to LED but I don't know if that's cheaper or not.

Any input?
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:16 PM
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Rural King had a 4' recently for about $25. I plan on getting a couple to check out unless I find them cheaper.

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Old 12-06-2017, 04:25 PM
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Not all LEDs are equals, so be careful when comparing different makes.

I replace the bulb in my shop, kept the old fixtures, had to rewire them which
is very easy. And installed the new bulbs.

I am extremely happy with these bulbs and will replace more of my tube in
the future with them!

I got the 6000K it is like sunlight in the shop! Massive improvement over
the old fluorescent bulbs. These are about $11 per bulb delivered. I have
no complaints on the price. They use 1/3 of the electricity so they ROI is 3
years worst case and a little over a year best case, and have a 20 lifetime.

The wiring is simple open up the fixture, cut out the ballast and throw it away.
Wire your hot wire to the tombstones at one end of the fixture, tie all the
wires at that end together, and wire your neutral wire to the tombstones at
the other end, all those wires get tied together. That is for 115V, if you have
230V or 277V same thing the voltage range is 85V-277V for these bulbs.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Maybe Chad or Bill can comment they have seen my shop with the new lights.
I love them!!!

Did I mention they are very bright!!!
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:32 PM
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Not all LEDs are equals, so be careful when comparing different makes.



I replace the bulb in my shop, kept the old fixtures, had to rewire them which

is very easy. And installed the new bulbs.



I am extremely happy with these bulbs and will replace more of my tube in

the future with them!



I got the 6000K it is like sunlight in the shop! Massive improvement over

the old fluorescent bulbs. These are about $11 per bulb delivered. I have

no complaints on the price. They use 1/3 of the electricity so they ROI is 3

years worst case and a little over a year best case, and have a 20 lifetime.



The wiring is simple open up the fixture, cut out the ballast and throw it away.

Wire your hot wire to the tombstones at one end of the fixture, tie all the

wires at that end together, and wire your neutral wire to the tombstones at

the other end, all those wires get tied together. That is for 115V, if you have

230V or 277V same thing the voltage range is 85V-277V for these bulbs.



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Maybe Chad or Bill can comment they have seen my shop with the new lights.

I love them!!!



Did I mention they are very bright!!!


Is your shop heated in the winter? How will they start in freezing temps? Right now about half my fluorescents will not light, until I get some heat going.


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Old 12-06-2017, 09:20 PM
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The older florescents (can never remember the designation) often have ballasts that don't like the cold.

The newer, smaller T8's, the ballasts are usually better with colder temps. You can also swap them into existing fixtures. (New ballast and bulbs and existing box and ends.)

Or if you find an LED option that's another route.

I'm switching some to T8's the next while, but then I got the new ballasts for a deal I couldn't pass up.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:18 PM
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Is your shop heated in the winter? How will they start in freezing temps? Right now about half my fluorescents will not light, until I get some heat going.


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I used the same LED tubes to convert my shop as all 24 of the tubes were going yellow with black ends. LEDS fire up instantly in the cold.
It takes less then 10 minutes per fixture to chop off the ballast wires and hook to 110.
What was unpleasant and disgusting was the amount of flies that had crawled into the fixture through tiny cracks and puked and screwed and died in there...upwards of 2 cup per fixture.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:31 PM
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Not all LEDs are equals, so be careful when comparing different makes.

I replace the bulb in my shop, kept the old fixtures, had to rewire them which
is very easy. And installed the new bulbs.

I am extremely happy with these bulbs and will replace more of my tube in
the future with them!

I got the 6000K it is like sunlight in the shop! Massive improvement over
the old fluorescent bulbs. These are about $11 per bulb delivered. I have
no complaints on the price. They use 1/3 of the electricity so they ROI is 3
years worst case and a little over a year best case, and have a 20 lifetime.

The wiring is simple open up the fixture, cut out the ballast and throw it away.
Wire your hot wire to the tombstones at one end of the fixture, tie all the
wires at that end together, and wire your neutral wire to the tombstones at
the other end, all those wires get tied together. That is for 115V, if you have
230V or 277V same thing the voltage range is 85V-277V for these bulbs.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Maybe Chad or Bill can comment they have seen my shop with the new lights.
I love them!!!

Did I mention they are very bright!!!
Thanks for the link, looks like a good product with great reviews. I am going to order samples of the 5K and 6K. Too bad I outfitted my shop with T-8 fixtures when I built it 7 years ago but at the time LEDs would have cost me a lot.
The only point I don't agree with is the power consumption comparison. The manufacturer compares them to a 48 watt incandescent but in reality most people are buying these to replace T-8s and T-12s. In the case of a T-8 (F32) with an electronic ballast we are only talking a bit over 28 watts of power consumption, so the savings is more like 36%, (the LED uses 2/3 of the power that a T-8 uses). Those replacing T-12s with magnetic ballasts will fare a bit better with a savings of about 57% which is getting closer but still not 1/3 of the power.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:49 PM
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Is your shop heated in the winter? How will they start in freezing temps? Right now about half my fluorescents will not light, until I get some heat going.
My shop is heated but I turn it down to 45F at night or if I am not planning on
being out there to save on fuel. They have no issues in cold, I also have been
converting the barn over to LED and they are just as bright cold as they are
worm. Instant bright light. I have eight 50W LED floods in the barn, they are
50W LED not 50W equivalents it a 50W LED brighter than a 1000W halogen.
Fuckers will blind you they were $25 off Amazon, yes they are Chinese but
they work well. In the barn they are wired 115V I wire 2 up outside my shop
they are 230V, work great hot or cold.
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What was unpleasant and disgusting was the amount of flies that had crawled into the fixture through tiny cracks and puked and screwed and died in there...upwards of 2 cup per fixture.
Flies and those God damned Asian beetles, the orange "Lady Bugs";
yup the worst part of the job, cleaning out the old bugs.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:00 PM
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Those replacing T-12s with magnetic ballasts will fare a bit better with a savings of about 57% which is getting closer but still not 1/3 of the power.
I had shitty Chinese mag. ballasts that were over 20 years old, I checked the
current draw of one of my fixtures before and after, IIRC I was at 36% or 38%
of the current draw with the LEDs over the old T-12's and the shitty antique
ballasts. But I think I paid $5 per fixture with bulbs in '96 new for 12 fixtures
and I think I was on my third set of bulbs when I switched to the LED's earlier
this year. Still using the same fixtures.

I do have some T-8's with electronic ballasts but I have not switched them over yet.

Close enough I say a 1/3...
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