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Old 12-15-2017, 10:47 AM
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Found a little Harig 612 surface grinder fir sale, price is reasonable, so figured I'd inquire and go take a look. Trying to set up antime for first thing tomorrow morning.

Then I've found they also have a Series I Bridgeport for sale too. It's a slippery slope......

Of course they're here in Ontario, and I'd want them both in Alberta eventually, IF I cross that line and pull the trigger.
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:44 PM
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...Of course they're here in Ontario, and I'd want them both in Alberta eventually, IF I cross that line and pull the trigger.
I can feel the vortex of tool desire all the way out here on the Wet Coast--and when I look into my crystal ball I see a road trip in the future of that grinder and mill...
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Old 12-15-2017, 02:37 PM
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What sort of price range would these see out your way Keith?

The grinder is small and light enough I can easily add it to the load next trip. The mill is a little tougher, IF (notice the big if?) it were to happen I'd likely grease it up, store it and then bring it out next trip. I also have a tandem flatbed trailer that it will ride nicely on. Hadn't decided the fate on the flatbed yet, but maybe I'm keeping it a while longer yet.
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:13 PM
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Where you're going, those machines are mighty scarce.

Once in a long while, you may find a shop dispersal, but otherwise, you could wait decades for a decent machine.

I am still waiting on a decent small shaper. Have been since the 80s.

I did find a guy wanting to disperse his equipment to retire. Sadly all his machines were 3 phase high voltage units and at least one size too big for me. WTH do I need a 24" lathe for? Or a +/- 100 T ironworker?
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:34 PM
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Too Bad Cam. I never knew. The place where I got my mill from had a baby shaper they were selling for $200.
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Old 12-15-2017, 03:58 PM
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Shapers don't come available here that often anymore either. A lot of the larger ones have probably been turned into brake rotors by now, as they are just too big and heavy for the average home guy to move.

I looked at a small bench top one a few years ago, no motor, pieces missing, and he was stuck at $400 for it. At the time I thought he was a bit high, but not out of touch on price. I just decided I didn't need it, and it was smaller than I wanted.

I've ran 3 or 4 different shapers. If I could find one the right size I'd have one. I know they are slow and outdated. There's something about them though that make me think of the old steam locomotives and things like that. They just chug along, fun to watch them making chips.
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Old 12-16-2017, 01:41 AM
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i have seen a lot of stuff made on shapers by the old guys when the Mills were tied up .
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Old 12-16-2017, 09:20 PM
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Mill pictures. The handle to raise and lower the knee is missing.

The electrics are 220v, 3 phase. Backlash on the table is about .025".

Not sure how well it shows up, but the scraping on the ways is still nice and clear all the way across.
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Old 12-16-2017, 09:33 PM
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The grinder wasn't quite what I was hoping to see. It has a rack and pinion table mechanism, and I think chromed ways.

Harig also offered hardened ways with a cable mechanism which tends to be a bit nicer for very fine work.

One issue is an oil pump. Harig used a low volume pump, with a needle valve to regulate flow to the ways. The bed rides on that oil versus bearings like a lot of grinders do. The missing oil pump may be a problem.

The spindle motor is 575v 3 phase. I also found a transformer added on the back that may be a 240 to 575 step up, possibly for the spindle motor, or it may be a 575 to 240 step down for the oil pump. Some more investigation is in order on that part of it.

Edit to add: Looking at the pic, I think it's a step down transformer. What I've found online so far is that the oil pumps were usually 120 or 240v. With a lot of Canadian stuff being 575v, guessing they added the transformer to run the oil pump off the same supply as the motor. General operation is that when the spindle motor is turned on, the pump comes on and 'pressurizes' the oil going to the ways.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:46 AM
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Just reread my last two posts, and realized I didn't actually say I did end up working a deal. Will go pick them up in the new year.

I'm not going to disclose price on here because I'm not sure if I'm going to keep both, or if I may resell. The grinder I am planning to take west next drive out, the mill I'm not sure what the plan is as of yet. It may get slathered in grease and put into storage for a bit until I can figure out a plan.
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